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Old 11-18-2008, 12:44 PM
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FACT: Research confirms a strong correlation between violence against animals and violence toward humans. It is now widely recognized that perpetrators of violent behavior are more likely to have participated in violent acts against both children and animals, and that the seeds of their behavior were planted in early childhood -- often being passed down through similar behavior by a parent or other significant adult.

Some of the most striking evidence for a link between animal cruelty and human violence lies in the case histories of many of the 20th century's most infamous criminals.


Mass-murderer and cannibal Jeffrey Dahmer killed neighbors' pets and impaled a dog's head on a stick.


Patrick Sherril, who murdered 14 co-workers and then killed himself, stole pets, then tied them up and allowed his own dog to mutilate them.


David Berkowitz, the so-called "Son of Sam," shot his neighbor's labrador retriever.


Albert DeSalvo, the "Boston Strangler," shot arrows into boxes of trapped cats and dogs.


Brenda Spencer, who fired 40 shots into a crowd of children, murdering 2 and wounding 9, had a history of setting the tails of neighborhood cats and dogs on fire.


Edmund Emil Kemper III, who murdered his mother and 7 other women, used to abuse cats and dogs.


Carol Edmund Cole, who murdered 35 people, admitted that his first violent act was strangling a puppy.


Richard Allen Davis, kidnapper and murderer, doused cats with gasoline and set them on fire.



Studies of prison inmates reveal that as many as 75% of violent offenders had early records of animal cruelty. There is also a high correlation between family violence and animal cruelty. A study in 1983 of New Jersey families referred to youth and family services for reasons of child abuse reported that 88% of cases had at least one member of the household who physically abused animals. An English researcher found that 83% of families reported for animal abuse also had children listed at high risk of abuse or neglect.


In 1997 Boston's Northeastern University and the MSPCA did a study that found 70% of all animal abusers have committed at least 1 other crime and that 40% had committed violent crimes against humans.


Studies also found that a history of animal abuse was found in 25% of male criminals, 30% of convicted child molesters, 36% of domestic violence cases and 46% of homicide cases.

30% of convicted child molesters and 48% of convicted rapists admitted animal cruelty in their childhood.


In 2000, 7% of animal cruelty cases involved child abuse. The perpetrators either abused the children or force them to witness the cruelty to animals. 13% of the animal cruelty cases involved domestic abuse. And 1% of animal cruelty cases involved elder abuse.



Pets may be used as a means to establish dominance. Abusers may send the message "I can do this to the pet and I can do it to you," or "If you don't do as I say, then this will happen to you." Pets are also used as a means of control: "If you don't do this, I'll hurt your animal.
" Pets are a way of buying silence from children, too: "If you tell anyone, then I'll hurt your dog!"


Why do batterers threaten, abuse, or kill animals?

To demonstrate and confirm power and control over the family.

To isolate the victim and children.

To eliminate competition for attention.

To force the family to keep violence a secret.

To teach submission.

To retaliate for acts of independence and self-determination.

To perpetuate the context of terror.

To prevent the victim from leaving or coerce her/him to return.

To punish the victim for leaving.

To degrade the victim through involvement in the abuse.


Why should we recognize animal abuse as a form of battering?

Animal abuse exposes the deliberateness of battering rather than loss of control.

Animal abuse and child abuse are closely related.

Animal abuse is often a tool used by batterers to emotionally control or coerce victims.

Threatening, injuring, or killing animals can indicate the potential for increased violence or lethality.

Victims may postpone leaving out of fear for their pets' safety.

Identifying animal abusers can help identify other victims of violence within the family.


What can victims of domestic violence do to protect their companion animals?

Develop an emergency plan for sheltering the pets, themselves, and their children (Review a copy of the First Strike® planning guide, Making the Connection: Protecting Your Pet From Domestic Violence)

Establish ownership of the pets (obtain an animal license, proof of vaccinations or veterinary receipts in victim's name to help prove they own the pets).

Prepare the pets for departure (collect vaccination and medical records, collar and identification, medication, bowls, bedding, etc.).

Ask for assistance from law enforcement or animal care and control officers to reclaim the pets if left behind.


Parents, community leaders, prosecutors, judges, and others concerned with violence in communities are coming to recognize the importance of animal cruelty as an indicator of disturbed family relationships and future aggressive behavior towards humans.



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"He who is cruel to animals becomes hard also in his dealings with men. We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals.
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Old 11-18-2008, 01:04 PM
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I was reading a book about the treatment and therapy models for dealing with sociopaths. In it, it said that young people who harm animals and are diagnosed sociopathic, are often doing one of two things:

1.They are experimenting. Often sociopaths do not understand that other beings have feelings and their own internal reality, so they do this to test limits, to try and find out if the other's reactions are real or not. Usually their own lack of empathy makes them experiment. They want to find out how to cause reactions in another.

2.They are practicing. If they have a violent inclination, they may be using animals to practice ways in which to harm or attack another person. By harming the animal, they learn which things will cause the most reaction.

Sociopaths don't have the innate ability to understand that others also experience pain. Often they themselves have a blunt affect when in pain or when frightened. They do not respond to adverse events the same way others do; they harm animals to find out why, or to hone their skills.

Usually, animal abuse indicates that they may be violent in the future. We hear about these sociopaths more than others because they are the famous ones, the news-worthy ones. There are millions of people who are sociopathic who never torture animals-but those that do are usually the worst offenders.

Psychiatriats call it the Triangle. It's three indicators that someone will be violent in the future, in a psychopathic manner. Animal cruelty, bedwetting, and setting fires. Anyone who shows these signs in their younger years could grow up to be a very very bad person, basically.

Most people who torture or harm animals are involved in other crimes, even those who aren't sociopathic. I think I read somewhere that the percentage was very very high. I think that law enforcement should take crimes against animals MUCH more seriously, being aware that these people are usually the same people who commit other violent crimes, drug and gang-related crimes, domestic abuse, and homicide. It's a red flag. I wonder...Brandon you guys know some cops. Do they have any kind of watchlist of people who abuse animals? Do they have any kind of apparatus in motion to do something like that? I'd be curious to know.
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Old 11-18-2008, 05:18 PM
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Good thread!!! Yes it usally starts in young age, ( the Dr Phill show did something on this 2 years ago ) There are many points that start the process into nasty people ( putting it nicely ) i can`t remember them all but there was one kid that had 9 points of turning into a killer and it was pointed out Jeffery Damler had 7!!!!

From what i remember there was.

Bullying
Loner
Bed wetting
Destruction of all objects
Self harm
Compulsive lieing
Abused sexually, pysically, mentally

Thats all i can remember for now, i`m sure i also have a book on this stuff.


Either way, gotta nail that s&!t on the head when they`re young before it gets out of control, get them counciling or professional treatment (better to be discriminated for having a crazy child that having a serial killer for one)

Monsters aren`t born...........they`re created.
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As Danny Trejo Mentions in the film, VICKtory to the Underdog,
"serial killers start out from torturing animals"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPEgwPbR0uA
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Old 11-18-2008, 06:13 PM
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Good thread!!! Yes it usally starts in young age, ( the Dr Phill show did something on this 2 years ago ) There are many points that start the process into nasty people ( putting it nicely ) i can`t remember them all but there was one kid that had 9 points of turning into a killer and it was pointed out Jeffery Damler had 7!!!!

From what i remember there was.

Bullying
Loner
Bed wetting
Destruction of all objects
Self harm
Compulsive lieing
Abused sexually, pysically, mentally

Thats all i can remember for now, i`m sure i also have a book on this stuff.


Either way, gotta nail that s&!t on the head when they`re young before it gets out of control, get them counciling or professional treatment (better to be discriminated for having a crazy child that having a serial killer for one)

Monsters aren`t born...........they`re created.

actually that dr. phil show containied false information. there was a huge debate about this on another forum I go to; a clinical psychologist on there was saying that the "signs" that dr. phil listed were invented out of whole cloth. there are only three symptoms that predicate future violent behavior; even that's unreliable since it relies on the person reporting those behaviors.

there's a pretty good description (that's medically accurate) at this link: here

sociopathy doesn't always escalate. there are no known treatments. it's pretty much a matter of chance whether someone gets violent or not, who has it.

"dr" phil doesn't even have a medical license, I never trust the s&!t I hear about from his show.



I'd rather not say why, but I have done a lot of research about this for my own personal reasons.
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You make a good point. On another note, i think what may work for some, may not work for others. Some s&!t that Dr Phil does say is basic stuff we already know just worded in a more professional way lol.
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this is a very interesting thread.
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Here's a little more on the subject of Serial Killers and the "markers" that are most common...

Characteristics

Most serial killers are not psychotic; instead they tend to be psychopathic, meaning they suffer from a character disorder, such as Antisocial Personality Disorder.[6][7] Psychopaths lack empathy and guilt, are egocentric and impulsive, and do not conform to social, moral and legal norms. They may appear to be quite normal and often even charming, a state of adaptation that psychiatrist Hervey Cleckley named the "mask of sanity".[8]

Serial killers tend to share the following general characteristics:[9][10]

1. The majority are single, white males.
2. They are often very intelligent, with IQs in the "bright normal" range.
3. Despite their high IQs, they do poorly in school, have trouble holding down jobs, and often work menial jobs.
4. They tend to come from unstable families.
5. As children, they are typically abandoned by their fathers and raised by domineering mothers.
6. Their families often have criminal, psychiatric and alcoholic histories.
7. They often are mistrustful of their parents.
8. As children, they are commonly abused—psychologically, physically and sexually—by a family member.
9. Many spend time in institutions as children and have records of early psychiatric problems.
10. They have high rates of suicide attempts.
11. From an early age, many are intensely interested in voyeurism, fetishism, and sadomasochistic pornography.
12. More than 60 percent wet their beds beyond the age of 12.
13. Many are fascinated with fire starting.
14. They are involved in sadistic activity or tormenting small creatures.


Here's the link to see this in its entirety : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer
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Those are "organized killers". "Disorganized" serial killers are often low IQ, schizoid or psychotic (not psychopathic), and are not known for a sadistic history. Richard Chase is a great example of a "disorganized" serial killer.

The thing is-

people can be diagnosed ASPD and not do anything sadistic. It's a personality disorder. These people are called sociopathic. Some of those people are violent, they're considered psychopathic. Some of THOSE people will kill human beings. There's your organized serial killer. But not all serial killers share this diagnosis or these symptoms.

Most do harm animals before harming people, however. Even the disorganized. The disorganized killer will often feel remorse for this; they do it because of some psychotic break with reality (like Rchard Chase thinking he needed blood to survive)...not because they necessarily like hurting the animals. Psychopathic or organized killers hurt animals because they enjoy it, or they are practicing or experimenting. It's quite different.

This stuff can be a little confusing. But it's true regardless that those who will hurt animals have low boundaries for hurting people, too. And that's a bad sign.


edit: that movie about richard chase is the coolest thing ever, by the way
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